Premier pictures of the LCR by ACA....

these will have No Rez pre installed!!

Interesting.... Looks like an enlarged Ref 100 cabinet, with a Vifa tweeter and the 7" Atohm drivers from a Ref 3.

How can you tell B?

se-riously wrote:Interesting.... Looks like an enlarged Ref 100 cabinet, with a Vifa tweeter and the 7" Atohm drivers from a Ref 3.

ahhh, but a special XO

Wow those are some really nice, solid looking speakers.

Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

Larry,

They are rear ported.

Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

But the use of these as LR is highly recommended....

Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

So when's my audition??

Hugh wrote:Larry,

They are rear ported.

Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them!

7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...

woofersus wrote:

Hugh wrote:Larry,

They are rear ported.

Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them!

Hugh can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ref 3's woofers are 7 inchers. The old Ref 100 used the smaller drivers from the Ref 1's and 2's. Should be a nice upgrade. The importance of the NoRez should not be underestimated either - especially when using as a center channel.

mobileusa wrote:7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...

woofersus wrote:

Hugh wrote:Larry,

They are rear ported.

Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them!

rear pics...of the LCR

Port looks very nice....

Great looking cabinets! Are thoes Vifa tweeters?

They are indeed 7".

woofersus wrote:Hugh can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ref 3's woofers are 7 inchers. The old Ref 100 used the smaller drivers from the Ref 1's and 2's. Should be a nice upgrade. The importance of the NoRez should not be underestimated either - especially when using as a center channel.

mobileusa wrote:7"?...nice!...not to mention the new XO design...

woofersus wrote:

Hugh wrote:Larry,

They are rear ported.

Larry D wrote:Is this speaker going to be able like the AV123 X-CS (I believe) to also function as L-R mains. The reason I ask I was surprised when Mark told me he had used his as mains. My question had been the same as to you, i.e., if it could function as mains because it was not "ported" and was a "sealed" enclosure which meant that it was designed to be placed closer to the back wall (or a tv, whatever), and that was important because our listening room was small and I couldn't allow main speakers to be pulled out 2-3-4 feet into the room. Just curious. If the answer is positive, that would be an additional good selling point for these speakers. Good luck. Larry

There are both ported and sealed designs that can be used as mains. It's just one of many design decisions. The only downside of the X-CS as mains was that they didn't have quite the bass extension as the ported versions. Of course, these were designed to be budget speakers, and there are always cost trade-offs to be made there. Also, many center channels are ported, like these.

In the case of Hugh's new LCR's, they were specifically designed to function as center/left/right. I don't have the final specs yet, but they are ported speakers that should have pretty decent low end oomph given the 7" atohm drivers. Plus, the front three will match perfectly, which is important for a seamless front stage. Should have most of the Ref 3 sound for 2-channel and be MUCH better than the old Ref 100 for HT. I'm looking forward to my turn to demo them!

Yes they are.

ch46eseaknight wrote:Great looking cabinets! Are thoes Vifa tweeters?

Thanks Eric,

Soon.

edoggrc51 wrote:Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

So when's my audition??

Hugh wrote:Thanks Eric,

Soon.

edoggrc51 wrote:Hi Hugh! Congrats on the speaker, it looks GREAT!

So when's my audition??

SA-WEET!!


If there's anything I can help you out with, do not hesitate to ask my friend.

Hugh those look fantastic! Well done my friend I really think you've got a great product on your hands. I really wish I could have taken you up on your offer Next time and good luck with these, I can't wait to hear them!!

Scott

Mr. AH,

Thanks Scott.

This is just the beginning.

Call me if you change your mind.

skeeter99 wrote:Hugh those look fantastic! Well done my friend I really think you've got a great product on your hands. I really wish I could have taken you up on your offer Next time and good luck with these, I can't wait to hear them!!

Scott

Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

Thanks Scott.

This is just the beginning.

Call me if you change your mind.

Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them

Scott

I'll find out how good the L/R will be once we got to install the networks in them.

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

Thanks Scott.

This is just the beginning.

Call me if you change your mind.

Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them

Scott

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers....

Hugh wrote:I'll find out how good the L/R will be once we got to install the networks in them.

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:Mr. AH,

Thanks Scott.

This is just the beginning.

Call me if you change your mind.

Hugh, will do my friend! If I could offload my Mini's and Voce for a good price I could scrape together the rest of the money ... I'm sure this will be a fantastic setup and I can't wait to hear what you, Sean and the rest of your team think of them

Scott

woofersus wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers....

Pure conjecture, I don't agree with that statement of assumption at all!

Did I miss the mention of price and when they will be available?
Are there plans for a tower of some sort?

Thanks

Jamie

No pricing defined yet and we're looking at 5 months from now for full scale production delivery, providing there will not be any major rework.

I may come up with a tower later this year and then next year will a flagship model.

Thanks,

Jamie Crane wrote:Did I miss the mention of price and when they will be available?
Are there plans for a tower of some sort?

Thanks

Jamie

You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories.

skeeter99 wrote:

woofersus wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict they sound significantly better with crossovers....

Pure conjecture, I don't agree with that statement of assumption at all!

Hugh wrote:You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories.

Those were the good 'ole days but those are LONG gone now so we'll just have to make our own now

Here's to Mr. Hugh's new dynasty

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:You guys are making me missed the good old days over there when we all get together to share our stories.

Those were the good 'ole days but those are LONG gone now so we'll just have to make our own now

Here's to Mr. Hugh's new dynasty

mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO

And what's special about it?

I wonder about that too.

etcarroll wrote:

mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO

And what's special about it?

Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too.

etcarroll wrote:

mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO

And what's special about it?

I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up

Yes Sir.

Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this.

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too.

etcarroll wrote:

mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO

And what's special about it?

I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up

He ain't kidding. The "ingredients list" for these is fairly impressive.

Hugh wrote:Yes Sir.

Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this.

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:I wonder about that too.

etcarroll wrote:

mobileusa wrote:ahhh, but a special XO

And what's special about it?

I hear the drum beat of enthusiasm for new REAL products being drummed up

Hugh wrote:Yes Sir.

Actually, instead of maximizing profits by using 'inexpensive' parts, I aim for the least amount of profit for the most bang for your buck.

Will see if I'll lose my shirt on this.

woofersus wrote:He ain't kidding. The "ingredients list" for these is fairly impressive.

There's no drooling smiley so here's my own

How big are these suckers btw

C: 9x12x24
L/R: 9x16x24

skeeter99 wrote:How big are these suckers btw

Hugh wrote:C: 9x12x24
L/R: 9x16x24

So are the L/R's tuned lower then given the larger cabinet? The look monstrous ... which is Suh-Weet

Yup

skeeter99 wrote:

Hugh wrote:C: 9x12x24
L/R: 9x16x24

So are the L/R's tuned lower then given the larger cabinet? The look monstrous ... which is Suh-Weet

Hugh wrote:Yup

Mmm ... yummy

Anybody wanna set of Mini's and an X-Voce in mint condition??

Hi Hugh,

Since I'm already 1 for 1 on the tweeter and drivers, I'm going with my crystal ball and I'm going to guess the innards with the focus on bang-for-buck:

1) NoRez (I know you gave that one away already)
2) Danny Richie designed 2nd order XO
3) Sonicap with a G2 bypass cap on the tweeter circuit
4) Erse Pulse X cap on the driver circuit with a G2 bypass cap
5) Inductors and resistors will be the standard type for cost reasons
6) The tweeter circuit will be designed to cross over somewhere around 1900 to 2000 Hz
7) +/- 3dB point of 35 Hz

How am I doing?

B

Morning B,

You are real close.

Thanks

se-riously wrote:Hi Hugh,

Since I'm already 1 for 1 on the tweeter and drivers, I'm going with my crystal ball and I'm going to guess the innards with the focus on bang-for-buck:

1) NoRez (I know you gave that one away already)
2) Danny Richie designed 2nd order XO
3) Sonicap with a G2 bypass cap on the tweeter circuit
4) Erse Pulse X cap on the driver circuit with a G2 bypass cap
5) Inductors and resistors will be the standard type for cost reasons
6) The tweeter circuit will be designed to cross over somewhere around 1900 to 2000 Hz
7) +/- 3dB point of 35 Hz

How am I doing?

B

what's the impedance on those?

washburn wrote:what's the impedance on those?

My crystal ball says 5 ohms.

se-riously wrote:

washburn wrote:what's the impedance on those?

My crystal ball says 5 ohms.

Nah I think its closer to 4.36572niner

4Ohms.